Discussion:
[urbit] Hidduc may have just given up the ghost.
Jeremy Wall
2015-09-30 19:41:43 UTC
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I can start it but then it goes crazy with a stream of:

[%ap-fill-full [~hidduc-posmeg %talk] ~doznec 7] messages

folowed by:

%ap-kill %talk 78]
[%talk-pull ~hidduc-posmeg 78 /f/porch/~2015.9.30..14.10.27..7439]
[%pa-cancel 78]
[%ap-kill %talk 7]
[%talk-pull ~hidduc-posmeg 7 /f/porch/0]
[%pa-cancel 7]

And then freezes until I ctrl-c out of it.

I'm going to let it spin a bit and see if it recovers but it may be hosed.


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Curtis Yarvin
2015-09-30 19:49:26 UTC
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Doh! As usual, this is a disaster in (or at least involving) the queue
backpressure code which I'm replacing. So I won't offer to debug.

My suggestion would be to try to run hidduc with the network turned off,
and see if it stabilizes without any external input. Then, let packets
back in and see what happens.
Post by Jeremy Wall
[%ap-fill-full [~hidduc-posmeg %talk] ~doznec 7] messages
%ap-kill %talk 78]
[%talk-pull ~hidduc-posmeg 78 /f/porch/~2015.9.30..14.10.27..7439]
[%pa-cancel 78]
[%ap-kill %talk 7]
[%talk-pull ~hidduc-posmeg 7 /f/porch/0]
[%pa-cancel 7]
And then freezes until I ctrl-c out of it.
I'm going to let it spin a bit and see if it recovers but it may be hosed.
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Jeremy Wall
2015-09-30 19:50:49 UTC
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is it possible to turn off networking in urbit startup? I'd rather not turn
off networking on vps since it runs more than just hidduc :-p
Post by Curtis Yarvin
Doh! As usual, this is a disaster in (or at least involving) the queue
backpressure code which I'm replacing. So I won't offer to debug.
My suggestion would be to try to run hidduc with the network turned off,
and see if it stabilizes without any external input. Then, let packets
back in and see what happens.
Post by Jeremy Wall
[%ap-fill-full [~hidduc-posmeg %talk] ~doznec 7] messages
%ap-kill %talk 78]
[%talk-pull ~hidduc-posmeg 78 /f/porch/~2015.9.30..14.10.27..7439]
[%pa-cancel 78]
[%ap-kill %talk 7]
[%talk-pull ~hidduc-posmeg 7 /f/porch/0]
[%pa-cancel 7]
And then freezes until I ctrl-c out of it.
I'm going to let it spin a bit and see if it recovers but it may be hosed.
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Curtis Yarvin
2015-09-30 19:52:17 UTC
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There's no explicit option for it, no. You could probably add one brutally
to ames.c in about 5 minutes. Or just move the pier to a machine that's
not serving anything...
Post by Jeremy Wall
is it possible to turn off networking in urbit startup? I'd rather not
turn off networking on vps since it runs more than just hidduc :-p
Post by Curtis Yarvin
Doh! As usual, this is a disaster in (or at least involving) the queue
backpressure code which I'm replacing. So I won't offer to debug.
My suggestion would be to try to run hidduc with the network turned off,
and see if it stabilizes without any external input. Then, let packets
back in and see what happens.
Post by Jeremy Wall
[%ap-fill-full [~hidduc-posmeg %talk] ~doznec 7] messages
%ap-kill %talk 78]
[%talk-pull ~hidduc-posmeg 78 /f/porch/~2015.9.30..14.10.27..7439]
[%pa-cancel 78]
[%ap-kill %talk 7]
[%talk-pull ~hidduc-posmeg 7 /f/porch/0]
[%pa-cancel 7]
And then freezes until I ctrl-c out of it.
I'm going to let it spin a bit and see if it recovers but it may be hosed.
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Anton Dyudin
2015-09-30 19:54:47 UTC
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(e.g. a virtual one)
Post by Curtis Yarvin
There's no explicit option for it, no. You could probably add one
brutally to ames.c in about 5 minutes. Or just move the pier to a machine
that's not serving anything...
Post by Jeremy Wall
is it possible to turn off networking in urbit startup? I'd rather not
turn off networking on vps since it runs more than just hidduc :-p
Post by Curtis Yarvin
Doh! As usual, this is a disaster in (or at least involving) the queue
backpressure code which I'm replacing. So I won't offer to debug.
My suggestion would be to try to run hidduc with the network turned off,
and see if it stabilizes without any external input. Then, let packets
back in and see what happens.
On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Jeremy Wall <
Post by Jeremy Wall
[%ap-fill-full [~hidduc-posmeg %talk] ~doznec 7] messages
%ap-kill %talk 78]
[%talk-pull ~hidduc-posmeg 78 /f/porch/~2015.9.30..14.10.27..7439]
[%pa-cancel 78]
[%ap-kill %talk 7]
[%talk-pull ~hidduc-posmeg 7 /f/porch/0]
[%pa-cancel 7]
And then freezes until I ctrl-c out of it.
I'm going to let it spin a bit and see if it recovers but it may be hosed.
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Jeremy Wall
2015-09-30 19:55:25 UTC
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alright. May have to table it for now till I get some time :-p

Sorry for anyone who didn't manage to sync the tutorials and was hoping to
view them :-p
Post by Curtis Yarvin
There's no explicit option for it, no. You could probably add one
brutally to ames.c in about 5 minutes. Or just move the pier to a machine
that's not serving anything...
Post by Jeremy Wall
is it possible to turn off networking in urbit startup? I'd rather not
turn off networking on vps since it runs more than just hidduc :-p
Post by Curtis Yarvin
Doh! As usual, this is a disaster in (or at least involving) the queue
backpressure code which I'm replacing. So I won't offer to debug.
My suggestion would be to try to run hidduc with the network turned off,
and see if it stabilizes without any external input. Then, let packets
back in and see what happens.
On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Jeremy Wall <
Post by Jeremy Wall
[%ap-fill-full [~hidduc-posmeg %talk] ~doznec 7] messages
%ap-kill %talk 78]
[%talk-pull ~hidduc-posmeg 78 /f/porch/~2015.9.30..14.10.27..7439]
[%pa-cancel 78]
[%ap-kill %talk 7]
[%talk-pull ~hidduc-posmeg 7 /f/porch/0]
[%pa-cancel 7]
And then freezes until I ctrl-c out of it.
I'm going to let it spin a bit and see if it recovers but it may be hosed.
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Curtis Yarvin
2015-09-30 20:01:45 UTC
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It's okay, the hidduc-posmeg tutorial linkage has been awesome.

I'd also suggest a ;join /urbit-meta to unsubscribe, in case you can get
any input in edgewise. And can't hurt to let it spin, if you can spare the
cycles.
Post by Jeremy Wall
alright. May have to table it for now till I get some time :-p
Sorry for anyone who didn't manage to sync the tutorials and was hoping to
view them :-p
Post by Curtis Yarvin
There's no explicit option for it, no. You could probably add one
brutally to ames.c in about 5 minutes. Or just move the pier to a machine
that's not serving anything...
Post by Jeremy Wall
is it possible to turn off networking in urbit startup? I'd rather not
turn off networking on vps since it runs more than just hidduc :-p
Post by Curtis Yarvin
Doh! As usual, this is a disaster in (or at least involving) the queue
backpressure code which I'm replacing. So I won't offer to debug.
My suggestion would be to try to run hidduc with the network turned
off, and see if it stabilizes without any external input. Then, let
packets back in and see what happens.
On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Jeremy Wall <
Post by Jeremy Wall
[%ap-fill-full [~hidduc-posmeg %talk] ~doznec 7] messages
%ap-kill %talk 78]
[%talk-pull ~hidduc-posmeg 78 /f/porch/~2015.9.30..14.10.27..7439]
[%pa-cancel 78]
[%ap-kill %talk 7]
[%talk-pull ~hidduc-posmeg 7 /f/porch/0]
[%pa-cancel 7]
And then freezes until I ctrl-c out of it.
I'm going to let it spin a bit and see if it recovers but it may be hosed.
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Galen Wolfe-Pauly
2015-09-30 20:02:10 UTC
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I think I have run in to this one, and it did indeed go away after letting all the backlog cycle through. It’s a bit of a pain and can take a while though.

Sorry! Shame to see the demos go down.
Post by Jeremy Wall
alright. May have to table it for now till I get some time :-p
Sorry for anyone who didn't manage to sync the tutorials and was hoping to view them :-p
There's no explicit option for it, no. You could probably add one brutally to ames.c in about 5 minutes. Or just move the pier to a machine that's not serving anything...
is it possible to turn off networking in urbit startup? I'd rather not turn off networking on vps since it runs more than just hidduc :-p
Doh! As usual, this is a disaster in (or at least involving) the queue backpressure code which I'm replacing. So I won't offer to debug.
My suggestion would be to try to run hidduc with the network turned off, and see if it stabilizes without any external input. Then, let packets back in and see what happens.
[%ap-fill-full [~hidduc-posmeg %talk] ~doznec 7] messages
%ap-kill %talk 78]
[%talk-pull ~hidduc-posmeg 78 /f/porch/~2015.9.30..14.10.27..7439]
[%pa-cancel 78]
[%ap-kill %talk 7]
[%talk-pull ~hidduc-posmeg 7 /f/porch/0]
[%pa-cancel 7]
And then freezes until I ctrl-c out of it.
I'm going to let it spin a bit and see if it recovers but it may be hosed.
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Burton Samograd
2015-09-30 20:22:49 UTC
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Here's a mirror of the tutorials:

http://matfeb-sablud.urbit.org/hidduc-posmeg/pub/hoon-intro/

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Post by Galen Wolfe-Pauly
I think I have run in to this one, and it did indeed go away after letting
all the backlog cycle through. It’s a bit of a pain and can take a while
though.
Sorry! Shame to see the demos go down.
Post by Jeremy Wall
alright. May have to table it for now till I get some time :-p
Sorry for anyone who didn't manage to sync the tutorials and was hoping to view them :-p
There's no explicit option for it, no. You could probably add one
brutally to ames.c in about 5 minutes. Or just move the pier to a machine
that's not serving anything...
is it possible to turn off networking in urbit startup? I'd rather not
turn off networking on vps since it runs more than just hidduc :-p
Doh! As usual, this is a disaster in (or at least involving) the queue
backpressure code which I'm replacing. So I won't offer to debug.
My suggestion would be to try to run hidduc with the network turned off,
and see if it stabilizes without any external input. Then, let packets
back in and see what happens.
[%ap-fill-full [~hidduc-posmeg %talk] ~doznec 7] messages
%ap-kill %talk 78]
[%talk-pull ~hidduc-posmeg 78 /f/porch/~2015.9.30..14.10.27..7439]
[%pa-cancel 78]
[%ap-kill %talk 7]
[%talk-pull ~hidduc-posmeg 7 /f/porch/0]
[%pa-cancel 7]
And then freezes until I ctrl-c out of it.
I'm going to let it spin a bit and see if it recovers but it may be hosed.
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Galen Wolfe-Pauly
2015-09-30 20:23:55 UTC
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Woah nice. And you’ve got it on a separate desk and everything…

Maybe we should set up a redirect?
Post by Burton Samograd
http://matfeb-sablud.urbit.org/hidduc-posmeg/pub/hoon-intro/
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Post by Galen Wolfe-Pauly
I think I have run in to this one, and it did indeed go away after letting
all the backlog cycle through. It’s a bit of a pain and can take a while
though.
Sorry! Shame to see the demos go down.
Post by Jeremy Wall
alright. May have to table it for now till I get some time :-p
Sorry for anyone who didn't manage to sync the tutorials and was hoping to
view them :-p
There's no explicit option for it, no. You could probably add one
brutally to ames.c in about 5 minutes. Or just move the pier to a machine
that's not serving anything...
is it possible to turn off networking in urbit startup? I'd rather not
turn off networking on vps since it runs more than just hidduc :-p
Doh! As usual, this is a disaster in (or at least involving) the queue
backpressure code which I'm replacing. So I won't offer to debug.
My suggestion would be to try to run hidduc with the network turned off,
and see if it stabilizes without any external input. Then, let packets
back in and see what happens.
[%ap-fill-full [~hidduc-posmeg %talk] ~doznec 7] messages
%ap-kill %talk 78]
[%talk-pull ~hidduc-posmeg 78 /f/porch/~2015.9.30..14.10.27..7439]
[%pa-cancel 78]
[%ap-kill %talk 7]
[%talk-pull ~hidduc-posmeg 7 /f/porch/0]
[%pa-cancel 7]
And then freezes until I ctrl-c out of it.
I'm going to let it spin a bit and see if it recovers but it may be hosed.
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Curtis Yarvin
2015-09-30 20:24:36 UTC
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I just got a %hear from hidduc, it may be back...
Woah nice. And you’ve got it on a separate desk and everything

Maybe we should set up a redirect?
Post by Burton Samograd
http://matfeb-sablud.urbit.org/hidduc-posmeg/pub/hoon-intro/
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Post by Galen Wolfe-Pauly
I think I have run in to this one, and it did indeed go away after
letting
Post by Burton Samograd
Post by Galen Wolfe-Pauly
all the backlog cycle through. It’s a bit of a pain and can take a while
though.
Sorry! Shame to see the demos go down.
Post by Jeremy Wall
alright. May have to table it for now till I get some time :-p
Sorry for anyone who didn't manage to sync the tutorials and was
hoping to
Post by Burton Samograd
Post by Galen Wolfe-Pauly
Post by Jeremy Wall
view them :-p
There's no explicit option for it, no. You could probably add one
brutally to ames.c in about 5 minutes. Or just move the pier to a
machine
Post by Burton Samograd
Post by Galen Wolfe-Pauly
Post by Jeremy Wall
that's not serving anything...
On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 12:50 PM, Jeremy Wall <
is it possible to turn off networking in urbit startup? I'd rather not
turn off networking on vps since it runs more than just hidduc :-p
Doh! As usual, this is a disaster in (or at least involving) the queue
backpressure code which I'm replacing. So I won't offer to debug.
My suggestion would be to try to run hidduc with the network turned
off,
Post by Burton Samograd
Post by Galen Wolfe-Pauly
Post by Jeremy Wall
and see if it stabilizes without any external input. Then, let packets
back in and see what happens.
On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Jeremy Wall <
[%ap-fill-full [~hidduc-posmeg %talk] ~doznec 7] messages
%ap-kill %talk 78]
[%talk-pull ~hidduc-posmeg 78 /f/porch/~2015.9.30..14.10.27..7439]
[%pa-cancel 78]
[%ap-kill %talk 7]
[%talk-pull ~hidduc-posmeg 7 /f/porch/0]
[%pa-cancel 7]
And then freezes until I ctrl-c out of it.
I'm going to let it spin a bit and see if it recovers but it may be hosed.
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Jeremy Wall
2015-09-30 21:29:25 UTC
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Yep I'm back. Just had to let it churn through for a bit.
Post by Curtis Yarvin
I just got a %hear from hidduc, it may be back...
Woah nice. And you’ve got it on a separate desk and everything

Maybe we should set up a redirect?
Post by Burton Samograd
http://matfeb-sablud.urbit.org/hidduc-posmeg/pub/hoon-intro/
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Post by Galen Wolfe-Pauly
I think I have run in to this one, and it did indeed go away after
letting
Post by Burton Samograd
Post by Galen Wolfe-Pauly
all the backlog cycle through. It’s a bit of a pain and can take a
while
Post by Burton Samograd
Post by Galen Wolfe-Pauly
though.
Sorry! Shame to see the demos go down.
Post by Jeremy Wall
alright. May have to table it for now till I get some time :-p
Sorry for anyone who didn't manage to sync the tutorials and was
hoping to
Post by Burton Samograd
Post by Galen Wolfe-Pauly
Post by Jeremy Wall
view them :-p
There's no explicit option for it, no. You could probably add one
brutally to ames.c in about 5 minutes. Or just move the pier to a
machine
Post by Burton Samograd
Post by Galen Wolfe-Pauly
Post by Jeremy Wall
that's not serving anything...
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is it possible to turn off networking in urbit startup? I'd rather not
turn off networking on vps since it runs more than just hidduc :-p
Doh! As usual, this is a disaster in (or at least involving) the
queue
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backpressure code which I'm replacing. So I won't offer to debug.
My suggestion would be to try to run hidduc with the network turned
off,
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and see if it stabilizes without any external input. Then, let
packets
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back in and see what happens.
On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Jeremy Wall <
[%ap-fill-full [~hidduc-posmeg %talk] ~doznec 7] messages
%ap-kill %talk 78]
[%talk-pull ~hidduc-posmeg 78 /f/porch/~2015.9.30..14.10.27..7439]
[%pa-cancel 78]
[%ap-kill %talk 7]
[%talk-pull ~hidduc-posmeg 7 /f/porch/0]
[%pa-cancel 7]
And then freezes until I ctrl-c out of it.
I'm going to let it spin a bit and see if it recovers but it may be hosed.
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Philip Monk
2015-10-01 00:43:01 UTC
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I have seen this problem before, and it always seems to resolve after a
while. I'm just hoping it'll go away with Curtis' new Ames code.
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Yep I'm back. Just had to let it churn through for a bit.
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I just got a %hear from hidduc, it may be back...
Woah nice. And you’ve got it on a separate desk and everything

Maybe we should set up a redirect?
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http://matfeb-sablud.urbit.org/hidduc-posmeg/pub/hoon-intro/
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I think I have run in to this one, and it did indeed go away after
letting
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all the backlog cycle through. It’s a bit of a pain and can take a
while
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though.
Sorry! Shame to see the demos go down.
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alright. May have to table it for now till I get some time :-p
Sorry for anyone who didn't manage to sync the tutorials and was
hoping to
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view them :-p
There's no explicit option for it, no. You could probably add one
brutally to ames.c in about 5 minutes. Or just move the pier to a
machine
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that's not serving anything...
On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 12:50 PM, Jeremy Wall <
is it possible to turn off networking in urbit startup? I'd rather
not
Post by Burton Samograd
Post by Galen Wolfe-Pauly
Post by Jeremy Wall
turn off networking on vps since it runs more than just hidduc :-p
Doh! As usual, this is a disaster in (or at least involving) the
queue
Post by Burton Samograd
Post by Galen Wolfe-Pauly
Post by Jeremy Wall
backpressure code which I'm replacing. So I won't offer to debug.
My suggestion would be to try to run hidduc with the network turned
off,
Post by Burton Samograd
Post by Galen Wolfe-Pauly
Post by Jeremy Wall
and see if it stabilizes without any external input. Then, let
packets
Post by Burton Samograd
Post by Galen Wolfe-Pauly
Post by Jeremy Wall
back in and see what happens.
On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Jeremy Wall <
[%ap-fill-full [~hidduc-posmeg %talk] ~doznec 7] messages
%ap-kill %talk 78]
[%talk-pull ~hidduc-posmeg 78 /f/porch/~2015.9.30..14.10.27..7439]
[%pa-cancel 78]
[%ap-kill %talk 7]
[%talk-pull ~hidduc-posmeg 7 /f/porch/0]
[%pa-cancel 7]
And then freezes until I ctrl-c out of it.
I'm going to let it spin a bit and see if it recovers but it may be hosed.
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